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ANother Refurbished Train? (Siemens C651)
#41
(31 March 2015, 11:23 PM)SBS6019J Wrote:   Show/Hide

But then they can clean it one? For me. doesn't matter whether if there is a bit of stains down there as long as the exterior is clean enough.
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#42
Summary of current known facts on the refurbishment of C651:



Refurbishment Related Tenders:
QX14-028 UPGRADING AND SYSTEM REPLACEMENT OF AIR-CONDITIONING (AC) & AUXILIARY POWER SYSTEM (APS) FOR SIEMENS AND KAWASAKI TRAINS
QZ14-009 DESIGN AND SUPPLY OF GANGWAY PLEATS AND ANTI-JACK KNIFE RENEWING FOR SIEMENS TRAINS
QZ14-010 UPGRADING AND SYSTEM REPLACEMENT OF HEAD AND TAIL LIGHTS & LIGHTING SYSTEM FOR SIEMENS TRAINS
QZ14-013 FLOOR COVERING REPLACEMENT FOR SIEMENS TRAINS
QZ14-014 TRAIN EXTERIOR LIVERY REPLACEMENT FOR SIEMENS TRAINS
QZ14-012 SALOON SEATS AND CAB DRIVER SEAT REPLACEMENT FOR SIEMENS TRAINS
QZ14-016 SUPPLY AND DELIVERY OF PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM WITH VOICE RECODING SYSTEM FOR SIEMENS TRAINS
QS15-005 DESIGN, MANUFACTURE AND SUPPLY OF ELECTRIC (SALOON) AND PNEUMATIC (CAB) DOOR SYSTEM FOR C651 (SIEMENS) TRAINS UNDER THE MID-LIFE UPGRADING ("MLU") PROJECT

Known Facts: 
Pixel livery on the exterior
Propulsion will be changed to Toshiba IGBT-VVVF(PMSM)
Expected to Start refurbishment in 2016, when the C151B is delivered 
Faiveley to supply Heating Ventilation and airconditioning unit + APU for C651/C151 upgrade/refurbishments

SRE Incharge of the Refurbishment Project: 

"Local Projects

Siemens Trains Mid-Life Upgrading Project
SMRT Trains Ltd has awarded Singapore Rail Engineering (SRE) a contract for the mid-life upgrading of 19 Siemens C-651 trains. The scope of work includes the replacement of the propulsion system, air-conditioning system and auxiliary power system.
SRE will lead the procurement, system integration, production, testing and commissioning for this project.
The Siemens C-651 trains belong to the second generation of the four different types of train cars used on the SMRT network, operating on the North-South Line and the East-West Line since the mid-1990s."


i am seriously having doubts now on whether Siemens will be refurbishing C651. because base on the summary of Siemens Singapore. it says "Secured a series of train refurbishment contracts from SMRT Corporation Ltd"

but upon probing more details into it it says: In the area of transportation, Siemens secured a series of train refurbishment contracts from SMRT Corporation Ltd. These orders included bogie frame repairs for Singapore's first fleet of trains that has been operating since 1986, and several traction system upgrades for the fleet of Siemens trains that has been operating since 1994.  


and also An order from SMRT Corporation for the supply of bogies for 66 trains was received.


These details are conflicting with the one that says Toshiba will be retrofitting PMSM on the Siemens C651.... 
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#43
(18 April 2015, 11:05 PM)SBS6019J Wrote:   Show/Hide


Sorry if this is OT, but something to do with Siemens:

"The company equipped extra trains for the North-South- East-West SMRT lines with on-board equipment for signaling".

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It has nothing to do with this thread honestly, even if it is Siemens. this thread is talking about refurbishment ! The article you mentioned is about equipping the C151As with Westinghouse Signalling (Which is bought over by Invensys and bought over by Siemens) and has nothing to do with the refurbishment of the C651!?
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#44
The press releases are worded very vaguely, but my conclusion is the following:
  • C151: Siemens will provide retrofitting and refurbishment work, with Toshiba PMSM traction packs.
  • C651: Siemens will provide retrofitting and refurbishment work, using Siemens traction systems.
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#45
(19 April 2015, 12:11 AM)joeyfjj Wrote:   Show/Hide

So will it means C651 using Toshiba PMSM with Siemens traction systems while C151 using fully Toshiba PMSM with Toshiba traction packs?
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#46
I think so.

The Siemens press release only explicitly stated "several traction system upgrades" in relation to the C651, but not for the C151, which led me to that conclusion.
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#47
(19 April 2015, 12:42 AM)joeyfjj Wrote:   Show/Hide

But according to the Toshiba press release, it says that they will be changing out PMSM also for the 2nd generation trains (C651) 
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#48
The article you linked did not mention that at all.
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#49
(20 April 2015, 12:59 AM)joeyfjj Wrote:   Show/Hide

it did. 

I'll copy and paste the sentence for you incase u missed out

"Mr. Mario Favaits, Managing Director of SRE, said, “We are excited that SMRT is relying on Railise to re-traction its first and second generation trains using PMSM technology. Through these projects, Railise will acquire unique systems integration skills allowing Singapore to develop an indigenous rail engineering capability. The first train is expected to hit the commercial tracks in Q2 2015 and from Q4 2015 onwards we will be looking at securing field trials abroad.”"
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#50
Here is the news article in Japanese on C651's PMSM order: http://response.jp/article/2015/08/03/257116.html
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